tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post6743645321864392167..comments2024-03-10T15:13:47.148-07:00Comments on Research-China.Org: Hunan Scandal Records from the Changning OrphanageResearch-China.Orghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-42302406252482855272011-11-07T20:50:12.171-08:002011-11-07T20:50:12.171-08:00Brian:
On the adoption logs, it is unclear what al...Brian:<br />On the adoption logs, it is unclear what all the colums are particularly the last 4 and 5 columns from the right. In some they appear to indicate a place but may have what looks to be a name in the last 5th column (counting from right to left). In the 4th from right, that clearly looks like a name.<br />ingridingridnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-89682711712831385672010-05-11T20:37:23.985-07:002010-05-11T20:37:23.985-07:00Kris:
I, of course, disagree. The fact is that t...Kris:<br /><br />I, of course, disagree. The fact is that this is no invasion of privacy. This is allowing families, and more specifically the children involved, an avenue to obtain the truth of their origins. By publishing the lists, I am allowing those that want to know the ability to learn more. <br /><br />BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-67906272922837970222010-05-11T20:11:32.537-07:002010-05-11T20:11:32.537-07:00Wow. What a huge invasion of privacy. You say you ...Wow. What a huge invasion of privacy. You say you struggled with this, but you made a decision for a lot of people. What if some of these children listed, are listed in error? I would think that there has to be a more private way to handle this than to post it for the world to see. If you have all of this information, then where these children ended up could also be traced. What a terrible way for a family to find this out. You never know how someone will react to this sort of news...very sad.Peanuts!https://www.blogger.com/profile/01277507745824001189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-9366094035325172582010-05-11T05:43:06.141-07:002010-05-11T05:43:06.141-07:00Kimber:
We do not have trafficking records from C...Kimber:<br /><br />We do not have trafficking records from Changsha, but that orphanage was initially included in the trafficking scandal. The finding patterns strongly point to trafficking in that orphanage also.<br /><br />BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-28059292116850383972010-05-11T05:17:45.782-07:002010-05-11T05:17:45.782-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Kimber Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16789100648837977508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-790190402554515852010-05-01T09:27:39.128-07:002010-05-01T09:27:39.128-07:00We continue to assemble additional records from th...We continue to assemble additional records from the Hunan orphanages, but right now don't have anything from Hengnan.<br /><br />BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-81739095811908475622010-05-01T05:46:20.887-07:002010-05-01T05:46:20.887-07:00Brian, will you be getting information on the Heng...Brian, will you be getting information on the Hengnan CWI?Doynanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-39730502839176661522010-04-27T06:57:26.551-07:002010-04-27T06:57:26.551-07:00I don't see what you are asking. Your questio...I don't see what you are asking. Your question and my answer are still there (4/16/10).<br /><br />BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-47664064779588626802010-04-27T06:38:54.301-07:002010-04-27T06:38:54.301-07:00Brian, I was wondering the reason why you have del...Brian, I was wondering the reason why you have deleted my comment (re: the actual situation in China re trafic) and your answer??<br />Any clue?<br /><br /><br />CamilleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-31804421354375498752010-04-26T06:25:23.694-07:002010-04-26T06:25:23.694-07:00As you probably know, the character "Hua"...As you probably know, the character "Hua" in the two names is different, so your daughter is not listed twice. The finder is listed twice, and both times was given the child she found to care for. This is consistent with the Changning orphanage's policy to "reward" finders by paying them also care for the children they found.<br /><br />BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-70377902865299184742010-04-25T21:56:15.634-07:002010-04-25T21:56:15.634-07:00Brian,
I am curious, my daughter's name is the...Brian,<br />I am curious, my daughter's name is the first one on the trafficking log, but there is possibly another child with the same name but found 1 month later with a birthdate that is about 3 months later than my daughter. The second Ning Xiao Hua does not have much information but the care giver is the same.<br />I have actually met the caregiver and she did say she was also the one who found my daughter at the hospital.<br />Any ideas why this is the only name listed twice?<br />Thanks.<br />KarenKarenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13155824973889699567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-74265417838069656632010-04-19T06:24:05.350-07:002010-04-19T06:24:05.350-07:00We are doing a Province-by-Province analysis, delv...We are doing a Province-by-Province analysis, delving into each orphanage on our subscription blog. But as an example, if we look at the top eight adopting orphanages in Jiangxi Province (Fuzhou, Fengcheng, Poyang, Shangrao-Ling, Tonggu, Wanzai, Yifeng, Yugan), all of whom have probable incentive programs, we see that they submitted 37.4% of the children from Jiangxi Province in 2005. That number ROSE to 45% in 2009. The increase is simply a function of the overall decline in abandonments across China, and the fact that orphanages with incentive programs buck that trend, gaining a bigger percent of the overall pie.<br /><br />BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-48592203180096094072010-04-19T06:02:42.222-07:002010-04-19T06:02:42.222-07:00you said: (...) although the NUMBER of NSN childre...you said: (...) although the NUMBER of NSN children has fallen, the PERCENTAGE of children that come through incentive programs has not. (...) many Special Needs children come from orphanages that use incentive programs to obtain children (...)<br /><br />Any data to support this affirmation?<br /><br />DianeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-71914873452636755132010-04-16T15:08:52.619-07:002010-04-16T15:08:52.619-07:00Don't have them at this time, but may in the f...Don't have them at this time, but may in the future.<br /><br />BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-43061587577629920872010-04-16T12:01:51.179-07:002010-04-16T12:01:51.179-07:00Do you have the same kind of records for the Heng ...Do you have the same kind of records for the Heng Yang SWI? I'd be very interested to see them!Basket full o' Plumshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05018964715188479540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-36391091398481155152010-04-16T11:33:46.333-07:002010-04-16T11:33:46.333-07:00The situation has not improved in China. Baby-buy...The situation has not improved in China. Baby-buying is rampant in orphanages, and although the NUMBER of NSN children has fallen, the PERCENTAGE of children that come through incentive programs has not. Most of the NSN (and many Special Needs) children come from orphanages that use incentive programs to obtain children.<br /><br />BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-24869808031721887132010-04-16T07:12:48.345-07:002010-04-16T07:12:48.345-07:00Brian
Thanks for your hard work.
Of course, it is...Brian<br /><br />Thanks for your hard work.<br />Of course, it is interesting to understand what happened between 2000 to 2005 period of time.<br /><br />But more importantly (that is my opinion) could you tell us what is occuring now in China? What is the situation re:traffics? The number of NSN children has dramatically fallen in 3 yers time.<br />What is your analysis of the situation NOW?<br />Is choosing the NSN line a 'safe' route now?<br /><br />A couple of years ago, your advice was to "go for SN" - the ethical program, as to you. But now, you seem to have changed your mind saying in one of your comment that SN line is now even worse than what used to be the NSN.<br /><br />I am a bit lost...<br /><br />CamilleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-17553902468652267922010-04-15T16:58:53.934-07:002010-04-15T16:58:53.934-07:00No, there is no other place to find the lists. I ...No, there is no other place to find the lists. I struggled with the privacy issue, but felt that the right of the children to eventually look up this information overrode the question of personal privacy. The fact is that unless the information is made public, most adoptees will never be able to locate it.<br /><br />BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-19712550568805669752010-04-15T16:47:08.619-07:002010-04-15T16:47:08.619-07:00Brian-
Are these names listed on the internet oth...Brian-<br /><br />Are these names listed on the internet other places? I always enjoy reading your blog and respect your work but have some concerns about listing names of children. These children should have some privacy. Can you address this? ThanksAmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00992025722004359389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-90471052093137284862010-04-13T09:05:09.176-07:002010-04-13T09:05:09.176-07:00It is unknown why each log contains largely dissim...It is unknown why each log contains largely dissimilar information, and why it was not all put on one log. It would be great to see the children's names on the "trafficking" log, but you are right, many families do have the finder in their child's paperwork. The next logs (from Hengdong) do not suffer from those issues.<br /><br />BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-90154457236988246512010-04-13T08:18:20.661-07:002010-04-13T08:18:20.661-07:00Brian,
Any idea why many of the kids in the "...Brian,<br />Any idea why many of the kids in the "adoption" log have no finding location or finding person noted? I am curious because, at least in the case of my daughter, we were given that information by the orphanage.<br /> ArtArthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11591779900315129809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-75263457755766869492010-04-13T06:36:20.919-07:002010-04-13T06:36:20.919-07:00The second list, the "Adoption Logs", al...The second list, the "Adoption Logs", almost all have destination countries listed. The last page of that log, beginning with page 73, does not. Although these children were adopted internationally (all had finding ads published for IA), the orphanage did not list their destination country. <br /><br />BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-7251630443463877772010-04-13T05:50:48.785-07:002010-04-13T05:50:48.785-07:00I'm trying to understand your records. While a...I'm trying to understand your records. While a lot of the kids have international adoption destinations listed, even more do not. Were those kids also adopted internationally? If not, what became of them?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-7174504972378398602010-04-08T14:09:19.425-07:002010-04-08T14:09:19.425-07:00Not unless there is a trial. It would be interest...Not unless there is a trial. It would be interesting to get these kinds of records for most orphanages!!<br /><br />BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-60879974866266083872010-04-08T09:49:19.028-07:002010-04-08T09:49:19.028-07:00Brian,
Any chance you can get this type of inform...Brian,<br /><br />Any chance you can get this type of information from Qian Jiang, Chongqing in the future?<br /><br />Thanks for your work!<br />ElizabethElizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00964930062741655708noreply@blogger.com