tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post6438811767507904260..comments2024-03-10T15:13:47.148-07:00Comments on Research-China.Org: Why Wait Times Will Continue to IncreaseResearch-China.Orghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-90385525418135061572008-01-16T08:13:00.000-08:002008-01-16T08:13:00.000-08:00Geezerparent:Please contact me privately at brians...Geezerparent:<BR/><BR/>Please contact me privately at brianstuy@research-china.org.<BR/><BR/>Thanks!<BR/><BR/>BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-33526603963246402172008-01-16T07:34:00.000-08:002008-01-16T07:34:00.000-08:00The entire Province was haled for four months (Jan...The entire Province was haled for four months (January to nearly the end of April 2006). The six orphanages involved in the scandal were stopped for nine months, until September 2006.<BR/><BR/>Not wanting to be the bringer of bad news, but Shaoyang is currently being investigated for coordinating "seizures" of children from area villages and funneling them through the orphanage for adoption. Basically, the Family Planning office will go into an area, take any children that are not registered, and transfer them to the orphanage for adoption. More will come out on this case in the near future.<BR/><BR/>BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-20346308862471148202008-01-16T07:26:00.000-08:002008-01-16T07:26:00.000-08:00Brian, How long were adoptions in Hunan suspended?...Brian, How long were adoptions in Hunan suspended? Relatives frequently ask me why 6 girls ages 4-8, all at Shaoyang (Hunan) SWI since birth, did not have paperwork submitted until late 2007 (I brought my 7 year old home in Aug 2007--the girls were healthy but Hep B carriers. Note for others: my guide told me wait for healthy infants is now 2 1/2 to 3 years. Co-traveling families reported waiting 2 years.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-9988950840963056212007-12-04T19:26:00.000-08:002007-12-04T19:26:00.000-08:00I think you will eventually get your child, but I ...I think you will eventually get your child, but I do think things will change in China. Most likely the program will become SN only, although when it will happen is anyone's guess.<BR/><BR/>Hang in there!!<BR/><BR/>BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-41914546684085189102007-12-04T19:01:00.000-08:002007-12-04T19:01:00.000-08:00Brian,With a LID of February 2007, I am wondering ...Brian,<BR/>With a LID of February 2007, I am wondering if we will indeed ever adopt from China. Will domestic adoption eventually completely eliminate the need for the international program? (Which I say GREAT if it does...I have no resentment or sense of entitlement...)<BR/><BR/>SandyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-15410217282543641992007-11-27T04:04:00.000-08:002007-11-27T04:04:00.000-08:00In respect to expedited files and waiting times. W...In respect to expedited files and waiting times. We had our files expedited but we still waited 19mnths. We ended up writing a letter to CCAA after our documents were in China for about 18mnths. This was to ensure that they were considering us for expedition.We didn't think we had anything to loose. We were told at that time that China only considers a certain ammount of expedited files in a given time so we think they didn't even consider us for expedition initially. About 3weeks after we wrote the letter we recieved a phone call with the great news of our little daughter... We returned from picking her up in October this year (2007). I hope this helps.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-3010066695411717572007-11-26T20:42:00.000-08:002007-11-26T20:42:00.000-08:00I am unaware of any difference in wait times for f...I am unaware of any difference in wait times for families adopting the first time verses one adopting a second. As I recall referral data, it doesn't seem the CCAA differentiates the two classes.<BR/><BR/>BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-75131083913491981792007-11-26T20:35:00.000-08:002007-11-26T20:35:00.000-08:00Brian -Do you have any data to suggest that there ...Brian -<BR/><BR/>Do you have any data to suggest that there is a difference in wait times for people adopting their second child from China? If so, is it more or less time? I have heard so many different stories, it would be good to hear your comments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-52407491157456414492007-11-16T17:28:00.000-08:002007-11-16T17:28:00.000-08:00I don't know. Perhaps a reader can shed light on ...I don't know. Perhaps a reader can shed light on this question?<BR/><BR/>BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-28640625543886991262007-11-16T16:46:00.000-08:002007-11-16T16:46:00.000-08:00Do you know the wait times for expedited files (pa...Do you know the wait times for expedited files (parents of Chinese descent)? Has the wait time for these people lengthened as well?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-2703091342687857032007-11-13T10:03:00.000-08:002007-11-13T10:03:00.000-08:00It seems likely that families applying now will wa...It seems likely that families applying now will wait more than 3 years, and possibly more.<BR/><BR/>BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-258625073607685772007-11-13T09:57:00.000-08:002007-11-13T09:57:00.000-08:00I have noticed that several adoption agencies are ...I have noticed that several adoption agencies are still speculating that adoptions will take between 18 and 24 months. Given the recent activity, I cannot imagine how that will be the case. Do you have any insight on how long parents applying in 2007 to adopt a healthy child may wait?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-51930675555715554942007-11-03T19:59:00.000-07:002007-11-03T19:59:00.000-07:00I have spoken with many directors since the Hunan ...I have spoken with many directors since the Hunan scandal, asking if anything has changed on their end regarding paperwork, and all have confirmed that nothing has. There is no fee for submitting a file, and no additional steps. There are a lot of factors playing into the abandonment equation: increasing financial opportunities, changing preferences, etc.<BR/><BR/>BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-1245590680687717422007-11-03T18:38:00.000-07:002007-11-03T18:38:00.000-07:00Do you think that they are submitting fewer files ...Do you think that they are submitting fewer files due to changes in the filing process? Maybe there is more paperwork involved, a fee to file maybe? I just cannot see how abandonments coudl have dropped off so drastically and suddenly. Plus it coincides with the timing of all the changes at the CCAA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-15790912799659120672007-10-30T06:12:00.000-07:002007-10-30T06:12:00.000-07:00Good work as usual,I do find it interesting that t...Good work as usual,<BR/><BR/>I do find it interesting that the drop in number of children placed in 2006 from 2005 (-1500)is the same number as the drop in children who were over 1 years old at the time of placement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-54094160435434990002007-10-29T14:13:00.000-07:002007-10-29T14:13:00.000-07:00Brian,I've run into some mathematical errors in yo...Brian,<BR/><BR/>I've run into some mathematical errors in your analysis which you may want to correct.<BR/><BR/><I>In 2006, nearly 12,000 children were submitted to the CCAA for adoption outside China.<BR/><BR/>over 10,600 children for international adoption, representing over 95% of all the children submitted across China. </I><BR/><BR/>Based on your previous total of 12,000 children submitted, the 10,621 records you looked at would actually be 88.3% of the total, not 95%.<BR/><BR/>If I use the total of 14,000 you quote in your comments then the percentage would be more like 75%.<BR/><BR/><I>We will begin our study by looking at an obvious demographic characteristic of the children -- their gender. In 2006, 1,648 boys were submitted for adoption, or 18% of the total. The balance, 8,973 (82%) were for female children.</I><BR/><BR/><BR/>Based on these numbers the correct percentages would be 15.5% male and 84.5% female.<BR/><BR/>Your graphic depicting the ratios of SN/NSN/Male/Female has the total ratio of boys to girls correct, based on the numbers in your text, but it doesn't match the NSN/SN data presented earlier in your article. Based upon the numbers you provided earlier the ratio of NSN to SN children should be 87.3% ((8,973 - 619) 8354 girls + (1,648 - 713) 917 boys / 10,621).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-68700913496110923492007-10-26T02:03:00.000-07:002007-10-26T02:03:00.000-07:00Hi I am new to the site,and we are currently going...Hi I am new to the site,and we are currently going through for our second child. I have to agree with a previous comment on how different the process is now compared to two & a half years ago.<BR/>I am wondering what the wait times are in regard to SN children ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-50141877911242776162007-10-19T01:01:00.000-07:002007-10-19T01:01:00.000-07:00I think the next change will be a change in adopta...I think the next change will be a change in adoptability of the children, not the parents. In the next few years, I feel the CCAA will limit the number of healthy children adopted, and emphasize more the special needs children.<BR/><BR/>BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-79111774830146993702007-10-18T22:29:00.000-07:002007-10-18T22:29:00.000-07:00Brian,Do you think the CCAA will tighten the eligi...Brian,<BR/>Do you think the CCAA will tighten the eligibility criteria further (like they did in May 2007)?<BR/><BR/>I see the excess of applicants as an opportunity to choose the best rather than having everyone languishing in a big queue. Does the CCAA see it that way?<BR/><BR/><BR/>Quincy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-44561672910051143152007-10-17T11:54:00.000-07:002007-10-17T11:54:00.000-07:00Dear JoAnne:My next essay will discuss the abandom...Dear JoAnne:<BR/><BR/>My next essay will discuss the abandoment rates in all of the Provinces, and I think you will find the answers amazing. Not to spoil your reading of that essay, but the further north and west one goes, the FEWER abandonments occur (factoring for population). Additionally, demand for domestic adoption in these areas runs very high, resulting in some interesting abandoment patterns.<BR/><BR/>BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-52076051567561084522007-10-17T08:29:00.000-07:002007-10-17T08:29:00.000-07:00Brian,Somehow I always imagine there are a lot of ...Brian,<BR/>Somehow I always imagine there are a lot of provinces in the western part of China, far from Beijing and the more prosperous cities, that still have children in need of homes. What do you hear about those provinces?<BR/>JoAnn, Austin<BR/>mom to two from ChinaJoAnn Stringerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08378374467862578717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-3177743152009933262007-10-16T09:11:00.000-07:002007-10-16T09:11:00.000-07:00Terriblespeller:The short answer to your question ...Terriblespeller:<BR/><BR/>The short answer to your question is yes, raising the adoption fee would result in more children being placed in the international adoption program, but not for the reason you might think.<BR/><BR/>At this time, the adoption donation required of most domestic families is between 10-30,000 yuan. This allows the domestic adoption program to remain competitive with the IA program. In other words, most directors will send the healthy children where the largest financial gain is realized, and at this time that is, on average, about 50-50 between IA and domestic.<BR/><BR/>Raising the adoption fee for IA families to $5,000 would create greater supply of children, but at the cost of those children for domestic families in China. Fewer doemstic families would be able to match the higher fee, and therefore more children would be available to place in the IA program. It is not that the directors are too lazy to do the work, they simply are trying to maximize their cash flow to provide funds for their special needs children, for the old folk's program, and other needs.<BR/><BR/>BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-78274854185391383322007-10-15T19:46:00.000-07:002007-10-15T19:46:00.000-07:00Hi,We have a DTC date of February 3, 06 for our se...Hi,<BR/>We have a DTC date of February 3, 06 for our second daughter, a 2-3 year old girl.<BR/><BR/>Do you feel we are likely to see a placement in 6-8 months?<BR/><BR/>Regards,<BR/>BonnieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-37408996590486951452007-10-15T15:09:00.000-07:002007-10-15T15:09:00.000-07:00Brian,Thanks for the usual excellent report. Your...Brian,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the usual excellent report. Your determination in compiling this data, thoughtfulness in presenting your analysis, and patience with our questions are wonderful to see. Projecting trends always requires a little art along with the science, and your explanations of your sources and assumptions make the conclusions more solid. <BR/><BR/>I used to try reading and participating in various Yahoo groups back when we were adopting in 2004. The amount of, um, "hooey" there was maddening. I'm not expecting everyone else to take a rational social science perspective, but the constant "I heard ..." and "OMG!!! Ladybugs!!" stuff tended to swamp what useful information was actually there. I can't imagine what it's like in there now, though I'll admit that I also can't imagine what it's like to be prospective parents who prepared themselves for one kind of system and mindset 2+ years ago, but now find themselves blindly drifitng in a very different one. <BR/><BR/>I'm looking forward to the next articles. I really want to know more about the way this happens, both for general curiosity and for the story I'll be telling my daughter (and myself) over the years.<BR/><BR/>Bobrmchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01392974106201649282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-84541357173217406272007-10-15T13:52:00.000-07:002007-10-15T13:52:00.000-07:00My question: Do you think the following is true -...My question: Do you think the following is true - if the $3000, payment that is due to the orphanage once you travel and receive your child, was increased to say $5000 or more, we would see an increase in the number of children that were "ready" for international adoption?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com