tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post6228584961659227774..comments2024-03-10T15:13:47.148-07:00Comments on Research-China.Org: Experts Respond to "The Baby Business"Research-China.Orghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-50496855233407561632010-08-28T06:16:48.900-07:002010-08-28T06:16:48.900-07:00I think often people consider trafficking to be ch...I think often people consider trafficking to be children to be stolen and then adopted without the parent's knowledge or consent.<br /><br />In the case of China, I consider trafficking to be parents being enticed by a small amount of money and the promise that their child will have a "better" life. Those "finding" the child are then given more money by the SWI and the SWI even a greater amount by the adopting parent.<br /><br />Children are moved from one province to another making it hard to track the money trail or determine where they were actually born.Sharihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03734301080820930082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-61293353346152120882010-08-19T13:39:38.812-07:002010-08-19T13:39:38.812-07:00We will be looking at Guangdong Province in our Pr...We will be looking at Guangdong Province in our Provincial analysis on our subscription blog. Up next on that blog is Hunan Province. One can get information on specific orphanages by ordering our Birth Parent Analysis, which goes into very deep detail about an orphanage.<br /><br />BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-23309968014355276842010-08-19T09:04:24.526-07:002010-08-19T09:04:24.526-07:00Brian,
Do you know what orphanges in Guangdong are...Brian,<br />Do you know what orphanges in Guangdong are known to have been involved in trafficing?<br />Thanks,<br />EthelEthelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-3144824425890173712010-07-17T17:57:09.615-07:002010-07-17T17:57:09.615-07:00"I'd like to know what exactly counts as ..."I'd like to know what exactly counts as "trafficking"."<br /><br />I thought it was referring to the exchange of giving up one's child under monetary or physical threat.<br /><br />Or, in the case of parents who want a boy, give up their girl child to an investigator who is trying to obtain children to sent for overseas adoption.Mei-Linghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08185720335439078124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-66714075243165583332010-07-14T19:52:39.231-07:002010-07-14T19:52:39.231-07:00I've always thought that the orphanage donatio...I've always thought that the orphanage donation fee should be paid to CCAA and not placed directly into the hands of the orphanage director by the adoptive parents. The money should be used to improve the quality of life for the kids at the SWI so I've always wondered why CCAA didn't collect it and equally distribute it to all of the orphanages that participate in IA. I wonder why CCAA didn't do it this way? Surely they had to know what would happen? Especially since it's widely known that corruption is a fact of life in China.<br /><br />Still, I would hope that anyone who looks at the word "trafficking" doesn't assume it always means that babies were kidnapped and sold to orphanages. I'd like to know what exactly counts as "trafficking". I've read many stories about small monetary enticements that were paid to birth families to encourage them to leave their unwanted children with an agent of the SWI instead of other options that almost always result in the death of the infant. <br /><br />DonnaDonnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15717351421043156637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-71949405958917301292010-07-08T19:59:49.833-07:002010-07-08T19:59:49.833-07:00It's telling that the report skips China- it w...It's telling that the report skips China- it would be interesting to know the real reasons why. <br /> If adoptive parents would start taking their heads out of the sand, the system would have to at least consider reforming. Unfortunately from my experience no one wants to do that, because they would have to admit they were at least indirectly part of trafficking by creating the higher demand for babies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-6549266596545981302010-07-07T20:02:39.832-07:002010-07-07T20:02:39.832-07:00I believe that to clean up international adoption ...I believe that to clean up international adoption you need to remove the money but that would just result in an expansion of the domestic black market. The same would happen if IA was suspended. It may make foreigners feel better but would that really be an improvement for the children?<br /><br />There are a lot of vested interests and a lot of naivity but it is also naive to believe that the problem can be solved without a top-to-bottom clean up of Chinese governance and society.<br /><br />Let's get it as clean as it can be knowing the limits of what is achievable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-54265385498887289882010-07-01T08:33:21.133-07:002010-07-01T08:33:21.133-07:00Laure,
There are all sorts of cases in history whe...Laure,<br />There are all sorts of cases in history where religious groups (Christians) have used their own belief system to justify their evils. Below are a few examples of those who were caught. I am sure there are many others.<br /><br />http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/20/irish-catholic-schools-child-abuse-claims<br /><br /><br />http://m.digitaljournal.com/article/248835?doredir=0&noredir=1<br />http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8688496.stm<br /><br />http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/four-charged-in-utah-over-samoan-baby-adoption-scam/story-e6frg6so-1111113090457<br /><br />http://www.abc.net.au/foreign/content/2009/s2686908.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-69150143336991623572010-07-01T05:48:49.118-07:002010-07-01T05:48:49.118-07:00There are hundreds of religious blogs and websites...There are hundreds of religious blogs and websites that discuss adoption from a "Christian" point of view. To point out specific ones would only incite members of that community. My point is that when allegations of corruption arise, the general reaction is that they can be overlooked since the adoptions were "God's plan", and the children are better of in a religious home. This sentiment can be seen frequently. A good place to start is a Google blog-search of "Christian China Adoption". <br /><br />BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-16845994533303560642010-07-01T01:40:53.661-07:002010-07-01T01:40:53.661-07:00"religious activists who see adoption, even i..."religious activists who see adoption, even if conducted under clouds of corruption and abuse, as ultimately better for the child"<br /><br />Who are those religious activits? Could you be more specific?<br /><br />LaureAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-34479526771485509152010-06-30T05:46:23.050-07:002010-06-30T05:46:23.050-07:00Very well said Brian. It's very clear that the...Very well said Brian. It's very clear that the work of EJ Graff has intentionally avoided China. Many (even APs in the China community) have questioned this. Years back the China program was used as a model program for many of the advocacy groups. The reformers held on to the China program as evidence of how a clean program could work. If reformers admit that the China program is as deeply corrupt as it is, then they must also admit that they were very wrong and their theories were nothing more than fantasy as is EJ's work in this latest article. The Hague Convention is useless because they have no ability to investigate inside of China. The CCAA acts as a shield/barrier to truth and transparency. <br />Yes it's clear that the China program is corrupt and functions well below international laws however it's also become clear that politicians and governments are powerless when it comes to dealing with this issue and therefore tip-toe around the topic of trafficking as carefully as possible.<br />EJ has worked hard to raise awareness about trafficking for adoption in her various articles but she has fallen short on the largest supplier of children abroad. Many have continued to question why based on the evidence to the contrary. Could it be due to the fact that China adoption hits too close to home on a personal level with staff at the Schuster Institute??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-11435638278248846072010-06-29T16:15:04.714-07:002010-06-29T16:15:04.714-07:00There are orphanages in Guangdong known to have tr...There are orphanages in Guangdong known to have trafficked, but I haven't looked into LeChang so can't speak to that specific one.<br /><br />BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-55703795834847337962010-06-29T16:10:37.963-07:002010-06-29T16:10:37.963-07:00Was it ever an issue in the the Guandong province?...Was it ever an issue in the the Guandong province? My daughter is from LeChang City located in the northern part. <br />PamPamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-31194235600696421442010-06-29T14:38:53.192-07:002010-06-29T14:38:53.192-07:00The six orphanages involved in the Hunan scandal w...The six orphanages involved in the Hunan scandal were the Changning, Hengdong, Hengnan, Hengshan, Hengyang and Qidong orphanages.<br /><br />BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-4417360891922763712010-06-29T14:33:45.084-07:002010-06-29T14:33:45.084-07:00Brian,
Which orphanages again? "Orphanage ad...Brian,<br />Which orphanages again? "Orphanage adoption records for the six Hunan scandal orphanages, for example, prove that almost EVERY child adopted from those orphanages between 2000 and 2005 were obtained through trafficking."Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01775202862809053942noreply@blogger.com