tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post5341262412297290880..comments2024-03-10T15:13:47.148-07:00Comments on Research-China.Org: "If you don’t pay any money, how will you find any babies?"Research-China.Orghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-14183634562054831022010-04-12T22:59:45.180-07:002010-04-12T22:59:45.180-07:00You said:
"If I am a foster parent who is str...You said:<br />"If I am a foster parent who is struggling and a girl without means in my village is pregnant and I get a finders fee to the local orphanage that will also pay me $30.00 a month to feed an infant who will be sent to a 4000 sqare ft house in the suburbs and private school who wants to write to me and send pictures really galvanizes the “ They're better off with their adoptive parents than their birth parents,"<br /><br />Good point! And that's what drives me crazy - I don't know if my baby was the latter or the former or something completely different. I'm a bit angry with the whole system. We were fed a fairy tale by China and our adoption community here in America. And It's China's fault, of course, more than the community, but my family and I were duped, and it hurts.gilhousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03900488831727108613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-91621157369637628232009-10-08T07:18:40.304-07:002009-10-08T07:18:40.304-07:00The reality is that for many Chinese, daily life r...The reality is that for many Chinese, daily life remains a grim struggle, and their government rapacious, arbitrary and corrupt. Our daughters were born to the family in a shack with dirt floors that is now in the shadow of the new glass building with marble floors. <br /><br />I agree that outright kidnapping is wrong. However, I have a hard time finding some immoral fault with a foster family system or orphanage worker who helps facilitate a finding to a child in need. “The programs function because everyone in an area knows about them” - If I am a foster parent who is struggling and a girl without means in my village is pregnant and I get a finders fee to the local orphanage that will also pays me $30.00 a month to feed an infant who will be sent to a 4000 ft house in the suburbs and private school who wants to write to me and send pictures really galvanizes the “ They're better off with their adoptive parents than their birth parents,"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-64088688702658846022009-10-07T18:56:18.225-07:002009-10-07T18:56:18.225-07:00The children that are trafficked are sent for inte...The children that are trafficked are sent for international adoption, as we saw in Hunan. It is not really kept secret. The programs function because everyone in an area knows about them. That is why it is so easy to find out this information.<br /><br />BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-23741118528845712192009-10-07T18:47:15.799-07:002009-10-07T18:47:15.799-07:00What happens to the ones who get trafficked?
How ...What happens to the ones who get trafficked?<br /><br />How do people keep it hush-hushed up?Mei-Linghttp://sisterheping.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-67074602203632272672009-10-07T06:00:50.680-07:002009-10-07T06:00:50.680-07:00That is a very good question, and one we don't...That is a very good question, and one we don't have the answer to. If we had a chance to talk to a large number of the birth families that sold their children to the orphanages in Jiangxi, for example, we could then ask them what they would have done had that option not been available. Would they have kept the child? Given her to a relative or friend? Hopefully with time we will know the answer to that question.<br /><br />BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-2888249087872478262009-10-07T04:31:03.015-07:002009-10-07T04:31:03.015-07:00What I'm wondering is what has happened to all...What I'm wondering is what has happened to all the babies now? If they were being taken to be adopted up to 2005, where did they go in 2006? Kept by the parents? Aborted? Hidden away? Hundreds of baby girls don't just disappear. My daughter's orphanage in Jiangxi fits this profile and they only have a couple of babies in the orphanage now, and only a few adoptions every year. Where are the babies that would otherwise have been there?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-52458751469739489052009-10-06T17:19:26.330-07:002009-10-06T17:19:26.330-07:00Adoptive parents are SO CHEAP!!! They won't b...Adoptive parents are SO CHEAP!!! They won't blink an eye and pay over $20,000 to adopt a child from China, but then they "have a problem" with Brian charging $50 for the Birth Parent Search and $20for the private blog. Give me a break!! I guess they just expect Brian to do this work for free; that they are "entitled" to this information; that some fairy magically pays for Brian's trips to China, etc. Although I don't know anything about Brian's involvement (or lack of) with the Hunan story, I definitely know he was the "spark" behind the Zhenyuan story and the recent LA Times article about stolen children from China, adopted internationally. I know this because it was Brian's Birth Parent Search of my daughter, born in Zhenyuan, which contained a link to a Chinese man, posting on a Chinese forum, about family planning officials seizing over-quota children in Zhenyuan. From that link, I had some Chinese friends contact the man and the rest is history.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-57848082950160971792009-10-04T06:44:11.853-07:002009-10-04T06:44:11.853-07:00Anonymous 10/02/2009 8:25 AM
"Ironic that p...Anonymous 10/02/2009 8:25 AM<br /><br />"Ironic that people roll their eyes over Brian's very little fees but will pay ENORMOUS fees to China babies that actually break regulations to take pictures in China of children t... Or people pay a small fortune for birthday cakes to be delivered to a child ... THEN we have a large website and forum based on rumors and filled with advertisements to make cash off families desperate for unverified information. Junk information!! APs roll their eyes and have strong feelings about you Brian because the truth is scary and you represent truth."<br /><br />I COULD NOT AGREE MORE !!!!!!! There is a kind of ambilance which leads AP + PAP to shut their eyes to what/who is really helpful and what/who is not in order to make the program "cleaner". Just because they are afraid. But we are also afraid. But it is better to look at things straight, isn'it it?<br />Do open your eyes... 20 USD is just nothing compared to what chinaadopttalk earns in the dark. And for what? Providing dull statistics !<br />Thanks, Brian for your time and effort !!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-75592919601597756772009-10-04T05:08:43.135-07:002009-10-04T05:08:43.135-07:00No, I am saying that the Hunan scandal exposed a l...No, I am saying that the Hunan scandal exposed a large and widespread problem, which the CCAA controlled and minimized. They punished only those directors that were widely known, letting other directors such as the Changsha #1 and the Chenzhou orphanages go free (not to mention all the directors who were doing it in the same areas that had not been caught!). <br /><br />BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-12449744047432213472009-10-03T22:43:18.323-07:002009-10-03T22:43:18.323-07:00Look, people, Stuy has to feed his family somehow!...Look, people, Stuy has to feed his family somehow! With adoptions from China about half what they were a few years ago, the "finding ad" income must be way down. So he came up with the "birth parent search analysis." Only that seems to be much more labor intensive than he bargained for. How to fill the gap? A subscription-only blog, of course! (Not to mention the private research his company provides for individual and groups of APs.) <br /><br />Brian, I do have a question about your comment above when you say: "For years I've been not publishing it for fear that the CCAA would just tell a specific director I had caught him, and put out the fire piece-meal. That is what happened in the Hunan scandal -- only the orphanage that were caught were 'cleaned up' and the rest went on their way." Are you actually linking the exposure of the Hunan scandal with your company's research? Was it your company that discovered it? It's not clear from the way you have stated it in the comment above.Cnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-42091904208146969262009-10-03T16:42:54.939-07:002009-10-03T16:42:54.939-07:00"Let's put our energy into helping orphan..."Let's put our energy into helping orphans, without worrying about "fixing" what "we" think is broken in China; they haven't asked for our opinion or our help. They aren't going to change for us."<br /><br />I disagree.<br /><br />If we put all of our energy into helping "orphans" who have been "legally abandoned", what does that do for the ones left behind?<br /><br />Well, you say. The next generation of prospective parents will adopt them.<br /><br />And then what? The third generation will adopt? And the fourth? And so on?<br /><br />All these orphanages will keep doing is "emptying" themselves and refilling.Mei-Linghttp://sisterheping.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-65582427310005056482009-10-03T14:35:36.812-07:002009-10-03T14:35:36.812-07:00My daughter was born in 1998, adopted in 1999. At...My daughter was born in 1998, adopted in 1999. At that time nobody provided Brian's services. I spent hundreds of hours searching the Internet for info and trying to make contacts in China. And I spent thousands of dollars on 2 return trips th China. I learned alot, mainly how hard it is to get reliable info for my daughter! All this to say that the $20 to join the subscription blog and the $50 for a Birth Parent Search Analysis are a real bargain. If you're serious about helping your daughter in a search, prepare to spend much more! You're not going to get far on your own & you're not likely to find anyone that will spend their own time and money doing it for you.<br /><br />Regards,<br />CherylCherylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16730372233998009682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-31306729765814970752009-10-02T21:24:15.776-07:002009-10-02T21:24:15.776-07:00I am not convinced (I just don't think any of ...I am not convinced (I just don't think any of us know what is happening; "when you think you know, you probably don't"). I have a lot of respect for Mr. Stuy, but I have worked with data, and I have worked in a developing nation.<br /><br />Let's put our energy into helping orphans, without worrying about "fixing" what "we" think is broken in China; they haven't asked for our opinion or our help. They aren't going to change for us.<br /><br />We are all putting a lot of negative energy towards this, and painting a lot of shadows.<br /><br />Keep it simple with your children. Err on the side of positive (some day they will be old enough to research for themselves).Mom to Two Saplings and Two Dogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17758779734894482196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-91099409550584759512009-10-02T18:51:31.594-07:002009-10-02T18:51:31.594-07:00Please - this thread should stop. Brian provides ...Please - this thread should stop. Brian provides a service, does research and charges a fee for the service he provides. No one is being forced to participate or purchase the information provided. A good point was made about newspapers - many good papers have gone out of business, been sold due to the economy and people's feeling that information (no matter at what cost obtained) should be free. I also understand Brian's desire to control access to information. The CCAA no doubt follows his actions and comments carefully. For one, I am happy that China still lets him in the door - they have the option to say no to a VISA - the wrong information disclosed publicly could cause a problem. There are many reasons to carefully follow and quietly comment until a way is found to resolve these issues. Its not just about birth parents and children and adoptive parents its about foreign relations. While I am not able to travel to china or conduct the research that Brian does, I am glad to have the opportunity to benefit from it, albeit while paying for the service.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-15277554735118508332009-10-02T13:42:01.913-07:002009-10-02T13:42:01.913-07:00I went back and forth on charging for the blog, bu...I went back and forth on charging for the blog, but ultimately decided that the security (with a payment I have a lot of control over who see the information) I figured, on balance, it was worth it.<br /><br />I have a lot of information that I DO feel families should have. For years I've been not publishing it for fear that the CCAA would just tell a specific director I had caught him, and put out the fire piece-meal. That is what happened in the Hunan scandal -- only the orphanage that were caught were "cleaned up" and the rest went on their way.<br /><br />I'm sorry if someone feels that $20 is "extortion". It was made as small an amount as possible. I have allowed many, many people that I know to be invited for free. It is not designed to be a money maker, just a secure, controlled forum for discussion. If ANY reader doesn't feel that their donation was returned many times over in the year, I will gladly pay twice their payment back. <br /><br />BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-28525250957614936272009-10-02T13:13:20.247-07:002009-10-02T13:13:20.247-07:00It is the subscription blog, not the finding ads, ...It is the subscription blog, not the finding ads, that are creating the ill will. And that is precisely the information that needs to be gotten out to as many parents as possible. By charging a fee, you get only the people who like you, and everyone else, people who NEED to hear, just shake their heads and say it is extortion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-42333690745738355652009-10-02T08:25:00.315-07:002009-10-02T08:25:00.315-07:00Ironic that people roll their eyes over Brian'...Ironic that people roll their eyes over Brian's very little fees but will pay ENORMOUS fees to China babies that actually break regulations to take pictures in China of children that do not even belong to the parents yet! Or people pay a small fortune for birthday cakes to be delivered to a child they are still waiting to adopt.<br />THEN we have a large website and forum based on rumors and filled with advertisements to make cash off families desperate for unverified information. Junk information!! And it's justified.<br />Charge families for some real accurate truth that allows more substance than any of the other services out there (including a fee for lifebook forums) and the whining begins again.<br />APs roll their eyes and have strong feelings about you Brian because the truth is scary and you represent truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-32097534851528551992009-10-02T06:34:56.707-07:002009-10-02T06:34:56.707-07:00I have purchased both my daughter's finding ad...I have purchased both my daughter's finding ad and the birth parent search from Brian. I can say I didn't resent payting the $75 for a second. The report had wonderful information on how many other children were found at the school where my daughter was, and his data on my daughter's orphanage was priceless. I don't understand why people think information should be free just because it is about their child. Brian charges relatively little for his services, and there are many other people who charge much more for a lot less.<br /><br />JMTC,<br /><br />DarciAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-86657218964143875672009-10-02T05:46:23.578-07:002009-10-02T05:46:23.578-07:00I am all ears.
BrianI am all ears.<br /><br />BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-50983857223925854882009-10-02T05:43:28.983-07:002009-10-02T05:43:28.983-07:00I think it is a mistake to demand payment for info...I think it is a mistake to demand payment for information on the orphanages. It is creating more ill will among adoptive parents than you need. Why turn off the very people you need as allies? It is making the relationship between yourself and the parents into a very antagonistic one. Most of the parents in my local area just roll their eyes when your name comes up and say "Brian Stuy is a leech making money off the very thing he condemns".<br />Seriously, I know it takes money, but you would probably do better financially by fundraising in more traditional ways.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-90521954231575621672009-10-01T20:37:22.621-07:002009-10-01T20:37:22.621-07:00And I certainly get that. I set up the private bl...And I certainly get that. I set up the private blog to control who sees the more detailed evidence, the audio tapes, the videos, etc. I really didn't think the $20 would be much, but enough to allow some control. It is not designed to make money, but rather to keep the audience to families sincerely interested in knowing more about the orphanages. <br /><br />The reality is it takes a huge financial commitment to research in China. Right now the newspaper industry is grappling with the expectation people have to get news for free. Well, it takes money to report, and I pretty much feel you get what you pay for. <br /><br />BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-60145498578183856452009-10-01T20:29:12.905-07:002009-10-01T20:29:12.905-07:00I think what she is getting at is the feeling that...I think what she is getting at is the feeling that Brian dangles tidbits of information in front of adoptive parents, and then requires payment to get at the heart of it (the private blog). Personally, I can see her point but I also believe that it's Brian's perogative to receive payment for his services if he so chooses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-6531654219836398522009-10-01T18:47:51.712-07:002009-10-01T18:47:51.712-07:00Mmac, Mom to a Jiangxi Girl, I don't get your ...Mmac, Mom to a Jiangxi Girl, I don't get your reasoning. It is wrong to buy and sell human beings; it is legitimate to pay money for a service that involves many hours of research.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-87861925251990058662009-10-01T15:43:13.127-07:002009-10-01T15:43:13.127-07:00I am sorry you feel that way. As we speak, we are...I am sorry you feel that way. As we speak, we are working nearly 10 hours every day processing the large amount of data necessary to produce a single report. In most cases one must input eight years of finding ads, by name, finding date, birth date, finding location, etc. We search the internet for relevant news reports and blogs. All for $40. Personally, I would pay a lot more if someone else could produce such a report for each of my children.<br /><br />Additionally, I have forwarded immense amount of data, white papers, and press reports to the governments of the U.S., Netherlands, Canada, Australia, etc. It is no secret. <br /><br />I am sorry you feel that I am keeping this secret. But it takes immense amounts of time to produce the reports, and we feel they are worth every penny.<br /><br />BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-58107578193837786642009-10-01T15:24:23.685-07:002009-10-01T15:24:23.685-07:00Odd how baby buying and incentives and black marke...Odd how baby buying and incentives and black market is wrong.<br /><br />Yet I have to pay money to find out the extent that my daughters SWI may be involved. <br /><br />I get selling DVDs of an area of China. I get you have access to finding ads. Nope don't begrudge you that. <br /><br />I get your wanting to track exactly who you want to share that info with. <br /><br />But for someone who wants to take this public, I have to wonder why it is a big secret. It will never be fixed that way.<br /><br />The your fee amounts to extortion<br />of concerned parents. One should have to pay to find out how ethical or unethical a SWI.<br /><br />If it wrong to baby buy. It is just as wrong to sell information about it.<br /><br />Mmac, Mom to a Jiangxi GirlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com