tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post2609475969013299708..comments2024-03-10T15:13:47.148-07:00Comments on Research-China.Org: What the "Donation" Really IsResearch-China.Orghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-1798445354890138832009-03-23T08:12:00.000-07:002009-03-23T08:12:00.000-07:00Dongguan orphanage adopted 176 children in 2007, a...Dongguan orphanage adopted 176 children in 2007, and another 163 in 2008. Total "donations" from families for these children amounts to over a million dollars.<BR/><BR/>You tell me why they don't have enough money to feed their kids?<BR/><BR/>BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-43192987041648683272009-03-23T08:08:00.000-07:002009-03-23T08:08:00.000-07:00What about this fact? They clearly did not have en...What about this fact? They clearly did not have enough food in the orphanage-Dongguan-where our daughter spent her first second 8.5 months (she spent her first two weeks in a hospital). None of the kids coming out of the orphanage were getting enough food. Don't they need more money for more food?<BR/><BR/>JulieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-20178475705263952992008-04-17T05:26:00.000-07:002008-04-17T05:26:00.000-07:00This is probably going to be the most unpopular co...This is probably going to be the most unpopular comment you've ever received<BR/><BR/>In regards to people claiming how morally wrong it is to buy or sell a child<BR/><BR/>I question if legalizing the act wouldn't put an end to sex slavery, wouldn't give children a better chance at a better life.<BR/><BR/>global trafficking will always exist<BR/>it exists in the United States, pimped out kids.<BR/><BR/>Reality in this world...... we buy and sell life all the time, life which we have no right to<BR/>chicken in the grocery store, dogs, and behind the scenes<BR/>children. I understand that many people's religious beliefs cater to the value of people, diminish the value of other/animal life<BR/>but........life is life in my opinion. We do lots of stuff we have absolutely no right to.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Here's another thought:<BR/><BR/> We are doing a domestic adoption in the United States.<BR/><BR/>Miss birthmother has collected 9k from me so far<BR/>and realistically will walk with about 15.<BR/><BR/>all legal, all for "living expenses"<BR/>which she was perfectly capable of paying herself as she was unemployed prior to pregnancy.<BR/><BR/>In our affluent country.....we've just found a more socially palatable way to word this monetary exchange.<BR/>Handled through lawyers instead of behind the scenes......called "living expenses" instead.<BR/><BR/>S. who's waiting for the flamesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-20595660414576181942008-03-27T18:13:00.000-07:002008-03-27T18:13:00.000-07:00I am no longer going to get into the hows and wher...I am no longer going to get into the hows and wherefores of this subject. I encourage families to be aware of what they see happening, and we will address this issue again in the future.<BR/><BR/>All the best!<BR/><BR/>BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-74577810488022736422008-03-27T17:46:00.000-07:002008-03-27T17:46:00.000-07:00If it is true that children are being sold by Chin...If it is true that children are being sold by Chinese families and bought by orphanages on a regular basis- the babies would in all likelihood be at a younger age when paper ready to adopt and they would not be in the orphanages for longer than needed to get them paper ready - this is simply not the case as many children are in the orphanages for much longer than 5 months- Do you have statistics on the average time each IA child NSN is in the orphanage and or foster care.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-43079560846500373762008-03-27T15:13:00.000-07:002008-03-27T15:13:00.000-07:00Brian,Even now, you are making very very very seri...Brian,<BR/><BR/>Even now, you are making very very very serious accusations. I say get your evidence together and go public. Your current blog is simply giving information without multiple citations to sources.<BR/><BR/>I understand laying the groundwork. And I can see your point that the US State Department may not have done their utmost to investigate Hunan. But perhaps, they will now. Hunan, was as far as I know, the first time any evidence of illegality occured. A second accusation may carry more weight. THe US State Department may have their own evidence and your information could help. <BR/><BR/>HannAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-46596113870753154012008-03-27T14:55:00.000-07:002008-03-27T14:55:00.000-07:00Dear Hann:I totally understand what you are saying...Dear Hann:<BR/><BR/>I totally understand what you are saying, and while I appreciate your desire to see this problem dealt with by our respective governments, Hunan has shown me that this is impossible. When confronted by teh knowledge that baby-buying was occurring in Hunan on a wide-spread basis, did the State Department send in investigators to interview people in the various cities? Did they go into the villages around various orphanages to see if the problem was wide-spread? No, they inquired of the CCAA what was going on, the CCAA did a great job minimizing the extent of the problem, issued a simple statement denying the problem was significant, and that was it. <BR/><BR/>Nothing done, nothing changed.<BR/><BR/>This time, we are laying teh groundwork for a much bigger story, and it takes time. I can promise you this: No report will be done, no accusations made until the evidence is so overwhelming that any denials will be pointless. If, upon further investigation by an independent reporter it is discovered that I have my facts wrong, I will be the first to admit it.<BR/><BR/>BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-85151715000131825722008-03-27T14:32:00.000-07:002008-03-27T14:32:00.000-07:00Hi,Thanks for the blog. Always interesting. But ...Hi,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the blog. Always interesting. But please, if the following quote is true, and I am sure it is, then please get this statement to the US Department of State. <BR/><BR/><BR/>**"I wish I could reveal all of the evidence I have, but I will tell you this. I have written documentation from local Chinese revealing the buying program in their cities, as well as a videotaped evidence of orphanage personnel approaching strangers asking them if they have babies to sell. These individuals describe how and why it is done. I have submitted a letter to JCICS outlining the evidence and extent of the problem, and hope that it can be solved. If not, I will turn it over to a respectable news organization for investigation. "***<BR/><BR/><BR/>It is their job to investiage these matters. I am in line and have been for a long time. I desparately want my adoption to be a success. <BR/><BR/>However, if the program is now based on baby trafficking and illegal prevention of domestic adoptions, please do not wait to get a response from the JCICS. You are making very serious allegations that warrants an investigation by the US State Department. <BR/><BR/> We need to know if the program will continue. Please don't wait. <BR/><BR/>Thanks HannAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-17011993029953325102008-03-27T08:36:00.000-07:002008-03-27T08:36:00.000-07:00I do not agree that their is a warp in what people...I do not agree that their is a warp in what people believe China to be. It is a communist country that does not believe in individual freedoms and rights. The ones we take for granted. Although the people of China are beautiful both culturally and socially they are in a situation that strongly supports underhanded and unethical treatment of women, children, the uneducated, and those in poverty. Although it is a system that reports low crime rates in actuality the reports are not reality and the government chooses to ignore their policy makings affect on their peoples individual rights. This disparity between individual rights and freedoms creates a sinister system of abuse in the area of family planning. I believe if you think that this is a warp- I dare you to live in China for one year and try to maintain a blog about your personal beliefs in religion and or politics and or policy making in China. You will be beaten and in jail if you are lucky enough to be alive still. <BR/>Long live the freedoms created to protect individual rights to choose for themselves- religion, politics, right to protect self, their voice, their culture. We are truly blessed by our constitution.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-22818871447011180432008-03-26T10:35:00.000-07:002008-03-26T10:35:00.000-07:00Good defense, annonymous 3/24, 11:25am. I don't th...Good defense, annonymous 3/24, 11:25am. I don't think it was at all in order to call you a cultural imperialist and racist. I think, however, you are butting your head against a problem that is rather deep. <BR/>Multiculturalists (of which I think your attacker was one) believe that Western and American civilization is not superior to other civilizations. They believe that western civilization became preeminent in the last few hundred years because it was oppressive and evil. So study of our civilization should focus on slavery and colonialism.<BR/>I have found that criticizing China's government and culture in any way brings a flurry of attacks from multiculturalists, who are especially sensitive as Chinese adoptive parents, eager to justify and excuse ANY abuse by the Chinese government or defect in its culture. In fact, they can't justify these abuses, so they say, "We can't judge them by our standards." and they equate our petty grievances with those crushing abuses the Chinese suffer.<BR/>I grew up in communism (Cuba), and I can tell you, not having the least control over one's life (and at least in Cuba you can keep your babies in the womb and out of the womb)is a tragedy that Americans can not truly comprehend.<BR/>I'm sorry you were called a racist. I understood the distinction, between hating a government's policies and hating its people. I hope no one thinks that Cubans or Chinese deserve to live like slaves, or are suited for this better than you or I, or that "respect" for their culture should blind us to their very human tragedy.<BR/>Gracie,<BR/>a mother of 5, one from China, who believes that all people deserve the liberty I enjoy (especially reproductive liberty) whatever country they live in, and whatever the color of their skin, and shape of their eyes.<BR/>And by the way, I am glad my child won't be growing up in China, where she was tossed on the side of the street, and not being a pretty girl, could not have fetched any money in the child market. She is certainly better off with me, than in her orphanage. And dare I say it (oh no, don't let the Hague police hear me) she's better off as an American. The region she's from, in China, has the highest suicide rate for women in the WORLD. I wonder why?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-64064993294183641972008-03-26T08:11:00.000-07:002008-03-26T08:11:00.000-07:00People really do have some warped perceptions on w...People really do have some warped perceptions on what China is about. Chinese children belong in China if the chance is there, if our money is taking their chance away (and so much more) than we are buying them NOT SAVING THEM!<BR/>If orphanages have to purchase kids now just to keep the funds flowing and the program open, then it is time that it closes and at least restructures!<BR/><BR/>I urge Brian to take this to the media and all others who have information about the corruption.<BR/>Anyone who keeps this information to themselves just to keep the flow going and the adoptive parents happy is acting in a criminal way!<BR/><BR/>Odds are the media are already on this issue anyway so we are all getting upset over the inevitableAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-58613560334975219032008-03-26T06:16:00.000-07:002008-03-26T06:16:00.000-07:00"Let's be clear: We have no evidence that the CCAA..."Let's be clear: We have no evidence that the CCAA is on the side of the children, other than our hopes. Families that assume the CCAA is really involved in controlling this problem are putting their trust in something akin to Santa Claus."<BR/><BR/>I agree that the CCAA may not be on the side of the children as they are a government run organization. This is also why putting the orphanage donation centralized in their hands can only lead to heavily increased adoption fees (big government versus little government) A big central pot of Gold for the CCAA can only lead to even further corruption on more levels. The head of the CCAA would probably live in a mansion and drive a BMW. Money would not be distributed fairly and evenly. <BR/><BR/>Concerning your Santa Claus statement I can not think of one figure aside from Jesus that stirs individuals to give freely of their time and goods. He may not exist as a true physical being, but his spirit spreads joy, humor, love, and stirs even the Grinch to give. I have to wonder are you the Grinch? Will you go to the Media with your so called findings and seal the coffin on adoption from China - closing the doors to the International community that only want to make sure each child have a Forever Family - a place each child is safe, secure, fed, nurtured, loved and FREE to choose their own destiny. Again - I am sure your agenda and mine are very different- I'll stick with Santa- Operation Santa Claus has raised over 50 million dollars since 1987 to go to children in poverty all over the world. I will place my vote and belief with Santa to come through. I will actively pray for you and urge you to not push for the IA program in China to end. <BR/>I adopted through the China WC/SN program- but as a special needs teacher I can understand why so many parents would prefer to wait for a child in the infant program. WC program is not on everyone's heart and not all Special need issues are easily addressed. These children need homes- the things you write make many moms and dads feel guilt and shame for something they had no control over. The international community is not the big bad wolf - most of these parents struggle daily with what to say to their child and how to tell them their individual story. Losing a culture is nothing compared to not having a safe, happy, secure, loving home. Culture is not the base of the pyramid on Maslow's theory and I have never met an adopted Chinese child that did not feel that they belonged with their families. I do not agree that it is always in the best interest for a child to remain in their country of origin. There are times that it would be better for a child to be raised in another country- In the case of Communism and lack of freedom- In the case of Africa and the diseases and racial unrest. I think it is better for the child to be in a free and SAFE Country. Call me what you want- but I am clear on what is best for children- I have spent my life caring for them and loving them and sharing my knowledge with others. I have potty trained over 50 children with SN. I have taught children to read that have learning disabilities, I have helped families adjust to their newly adopted child some with special needs. I have helped train people to provide a great environment for children in several countries. I would say I am definitely an expert in child development. Until there is not one child left in an orphanage in China - I will urge and push the IA program - and I will support any family who wants to give a child a loving and safe home (Chinese or otherwise). <BR/>I am so glad my family participates in the wonder of Santa and the giving selflessly to others. <BR/>LizDan and Lizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02933809225098272636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-16035270573804551062008-03-25T19:34:00.000-07:002008-03-25T19:34:00.000-07:00If you go to the media, the whole program could cl...If you go to the media, the whole program could close for good (INCLUDING Special Needs). Do you really think that in the end, going to the media will make a difference ??!! I don't think so ... Please reconsider ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-16673990191162169122008-03-25T12:26:00.000-07:002008-03-25T12:26:00.000-07:00When you read the transcripts of the Hunan trials,...When you read the transcripts of the Hunan trials, it becomes clear that the government (prosecution) sought to keep the case focused on the six orphanages directly implicated, and on the kids still in process when the story broke. In other words, the government did not act in a way to truly make a case and clean it up.<BR/><BR/>Therefore, I can only assume that the CCAA was aware of this occurring, and did nothing to stop it.<BR/><BR/>BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-52879041889888007042008-03-25T12:04:00.000-07:002008-03-25T12:04:00.000-07:00Hi Brian! Why do you think this form of trafficki...Hi Brian! Why do you think this form of trafficking has been going on for as long as it has without being stopped? Do you think the goverment knows about it and hoped the press from Hunan would be enough to distract focus? Isn't this kind of trafficking not unlike what has occurred in other countries that have closed their program as a result???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-67170536232555230102008-03-24T19:35:00.000-07:002008-03-24T19:35:00.000-07:00I don't have domestic adoption date for that perio...I don't have domestic adoption date for that period, unfortunately.<BR/><BR/>BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-85567596027577417912008-03-24T19:24:00.000-07:002008-03-24T19:24:00.000-07:00Do you know what the boy girl ratio for domestic a...Do you know what the boy girl ratio for domestic adoptions are verses the IA program. It would be interesting to see what the ratio of "1100 kids adopted internationally since 1994,1000 domestically since 1999" from an SWI Jiangxi - most likely Nachang or Linchuan/Fuzhou.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-65523142274902787292008-03-24T11:40:00.000-07:002008-03-24T11:40:00.000-07:00About domestic adoptions from Jiangxi...sure, Jian...About domestic adoptions from Jiangxi...sure, Jiangxi is poor, but "domestic" doesn't necessarily mean "local". I do know that at least one Jiangxi orphanage has, since 1999, placed lots of kids domestically, most to Shanghai, some, now, to Beijing. Residents of these cities must obtain local hukous for their kids. This is is possibly more difficult for Beijing families than for Shanghai, but in any event it is easier if kids are legitimately acquired. And Shanghai doesn't have vast numbers of abandoned healthy babies available for domestic adoption, compared with the size of the city. I have been to this Jiangxi orphanage a number of times since 1994,and have heard and seen enough to think that the director's statistics (1100 kids adopted internationally since 1994,1000 domestically since 1999) are fairly accurate. I don't pretend to know where all those babies have come from, though. Also, for the last several years there have been few healthy babies even available for adoption here. Part of this drop is surely connected to the related increase in the number of small Jiangxi orphanages that now directly handle their own adoptions. I don't want to either generalize or speculate too much about these aspects. The point is to not underestimate the potential ability of legitimate domestic adoptions to absorb the pool of available healthy children.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-5218436804416193962008-03-24T11:39:00.000-07:002008-03-24T11:39:00.000-07:00Brian - Thank you for clarifying your stance on th...Brian - Thank you for clarifying your stance on the IA program. Your motivations are certainly worthy of pursuit - hopefully Hague will begin to uphold the laws they've enacted in every country and countries will move toward compliance. I will be patient to see the evidence you've submitted regarding the other matter of fees being paid by orphanages to secure babies for the IA program. This is truly heartbreaking news for all involved including those of us in the IA community. Thank you for sharing what you could - I realize the stakes during an investigation and that you are currently not able to reveal all your evidence - thank you for narrowing down though the content/background of your sources. Thank you most importantly for working on behalf of China's children!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-28670657302512279052008-03-24T11:25:00.000-07:002008-03-24T11:25:00.000-07:00In reply to this post below - by another anonymous...In reply to this post below - by another anonymous:<BR/><BR/>-------------------------------<BR/><BR/>"And, to the "anonymous" who thinks that China is such a bad country and that bc he/she lives in the west that they're doing their adoptive child such a wonderful charity service... this SMACKS of white privilege and colonialism. Might as well just have signed your post "KKK"."<BR/><BR/>---------------------------------<BR/><BR/><BR/>Your comments were so off – they don’t even deserve acknowledgment but for the sake of my child I will respond. Neither of these viewpoints were intrinsically stated as part of my argument why I hoped the IA program would be able to continue in China. The comparison of an orphan being adopted by a domestic family vs. an international family was just to show that different families can provide differently for the same child. No family is perfect – no human being either – I certainly do not claim perfection. We all make mistakes and with grace and forgiveness and lots of love hopefully our children will be outstanding citizens of whatever country they find themselves in. No situation is ideal when it comes to an orphan. Obviously, the child being adopted deserves the culture and heritage of her own country – that is what I was saying. That same child deserves freedoms in life as well – and right now, if you’ve studied China’s government/country AT ALL! You would know! That does not exist for my daughter’s birth mother and birth father. As a teacher of government and history – I would have to say from your comments at least – I know more about the two topics you so rashly proclaimed as my background – colonialism and the KKK. Might I add – you have no idea of my race or my country of birth. That said – I don’t think a reasonable person would have read my comments and not seen my heart for China – my love for her people – and my sadness for the Communist state that is controlling the lives of all those who call this wonderful country home. Just a quick glimpse at the news and you would have seen the Communist state with iron fists controlling the ins and outs of daily life in China – invading Tibet, attempting to control the Taiwan elections, blocking all free press from the Chinese people through all means – TV, radio, internet, you would have read about the number of athletes going to boycott the games, the many heads of state in various countries speaking out against the human rights violations there and threatening to boycott the games as well, you would have seen numerous articles on orphanages and the tragedy of the buying and selling of babies, and the Chinese acting like they would at some point end the one-child policy, but others seeing that as a ploy to make it look like they care about their people, etc… <BR/>Just as in my country – I love my people, my nation – but often am not in agreement with the government officials who make up the policies and laws. It doesn’t mean I am racist toward my own people! It means, I don’t agree with the men who currently reside in power or some of the rules they are creating and the way they are controlling my life. The only difference is – and it is a HUGE difference! – I get to vote! I get to have a voice and help decide who is in power over me. That is democracy. That is what I am saying about China – not that I don’t love China or my daughter’s people – but that the government there is Communism and that her people don’t have a voice – they don’t have a true vote – they are controlled and have no say in what they will pay for domestic adoption and the fact that the price is being raised for us and for them is wrong, yet, I believe both programs domestic and international should be able to exist without corruption. If anything, I was urging the Chinese to rule evenly and fairly with their own people and stop hiking up the adoption fees for their domestic program. If anything, I gave careful consideration for my daughter’s birth country and expressed a desire for her nation and her people to enjoy the same freedoms of a democracy and not that of a Communist state. Please do not put hateful words in my mouth or be so callous with your own remarks. It seems to me you are going to hurt yourself using words that you don’t fully understand. No one is playing the “race” card in this discussion but you. No one is using western – ethnocentric beliefs – but you. Colonialism is the “extension of a nation’s sovereignty over territory beyond its borders by the establishment of either settler colonies or administrative dependencies in which indigenous populations are directly ruled or displaced. Colonizing nations generally dominate the resources, labor, and markets of the colonial territory, and may also impose socio-cultural, religious and linguistic structures on the conquered population (see also cultural imperialism).” Can you say – China taking over Tibet? That is colonialism. That is not my view on why IA parents should be allowed to adopt internationally orphans that meet the Hague requirements for abandonment. <BR/>The KKK is an evil, racist group of people who “oppose the Civil Rights Movement and desegregation in the 1950s and 1960s.” If anything, my words promoted the Chinese having the same rights as free men to make choices for their lives without the Communist government controlling every move – which currently in China the atmosphere of rule is similar to what was happening prior to the Civil Rights Movement in the USA – the Chinese government is not giving civil rights to its people – they have no rights – they do as they are ruled to do – including birth issues and adoption issues and religious issues. Can you say “the fleeing of the Dalai Lama to India because of religious persecution” or “Chinese Christians being arrested for being missionaries” or “the Chinese trying to rule that no Olympian can bring a Bible to the games” or “the Chinese persecuting some minority groups in China – in Tibet?” If anything, I was stating that I felt sadness that my daughter’s own birthmother was in all probability not given the choice to keep her. Nothing was said about racism or any of the other vile comments you are suggesting. Nothing was said about “whiteness” as you so venomously called it… might I remind you that racism isn’t just about whites vs. blacks – many countries in Africa have racism of their own – currently in Kenya tribes are killing other tribes because of the hate of racism. Racism is not a white issue – even in the country of the USA many blacks have hateful beliefs about whites – we call that reverse racism – Can you say, “Barack O’bama’s pastor?” So, don’t talk to me about what racism is – I know it too well: Racism is hate – and I don’t hate the people who so lovingly gave my daughter her life or sacrificed so lovingly to care for her until I could have her in my arms.. If anything, I was celebrating my daughter’s country and the vastness of its potential and dreaming of a life for them if the wonderful Chinese people were given freedoms most countries that are in the IA program enjoy.<BR/>Please don’t spout off words that “sound” intellectual but bear no weight on the topic at hand. I’m afraid you might hurt yourself using words that you don’t know the true meaning of – but more afraid you might hurt other adoptive parents and their children by your excessiveness in trying to “find” a race card to play and so rashly speaking on things you don’t understand simply because you have not studied anything about China as a nation. That is not my fault you don’t know the realities of the country you are or have adopted from – that is yours. I suggest you read up – and be informed rather than speaking unintelligibly about issues that you’ve yet to read up on.<BR/> <BR/>Signed, A very loving adoptive parent who enjoys greatly the diversity of my own family and celebrates the uniqueness of every adopted child – including my own –and hopes one day others will embrace all races as one – the human race.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-2116503886198280812008-03-24T09:19:00.000-07:002008-03-24T09:19:00.000-07:00To me, the most horrifying thing about the whole i...To me, the most horrifying thing about the whole issue of trafficking is that it presents yet another facet to the dilemma, "What should we tell our children about their abandonment?"<BR/><BR/>I have two children who were adopted through the "Waiting Child" program. I would venture to guess that they were not the victims of any type of baby-selling, since they had known medical needs.<BR/><BR/>I also have a child adopted as a healthy infant. I just found out recently that drug dealing and prostitution are rife in her native city, which is also the home of the first AIDS clinic in China. She was adopted in 1996, sometime before children were known to be such a profitable commodity in China. <BR/><BR/>I have already had to share with these incredible, wonderful, amazing daughters that one was abandoned on a street corner at age 18 months, one was left in the hospital, and one may very well have been the child of a prostitute. Do I also share with them the issue of trafficking? It is too painful to contemplate.Mariehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00223125019630414766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-30169725347578170792008-03-24T08:28:00.000-07:002008-03-24T08:28:00.000-07:00In reality, are there 2401 local families in the p...In reality, are there 2401 local families in the province of Jiangxi capable of paying $ 5,000 of even $ 3,000.00 to adopt one of the 2401 children abandoned in 2006? Not very likely - poverty is the root of abandonment and it would be hard for anyone outside Nanchang to afford that kind of money. <BR/><BR/>Will a family in Yunan travel to Jiangxi where they have lots of abandoned children waiting to be to adopted – not likely, the cost ( Yunan as a province is poorer than Jiangxi) plus the travel and racism between provinces is very real. <BR/><BR/>Will a well to do family in Beijing want to adopt a farm girl from Jiangxi – not in my lifetime.<BR/><BR/>You have stated on previous posts that as many as 90% of all abandoned children are taken in / absorbed into the community long before they get to an orphanage. Isn’t this the trafficking you describe – yes there are examples of bad things but the entire system is way too complex to make sweeping generalizations like the Dutch program.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-20944908208366996022008-03-24T08:24:00.000-07:002008-03-24T08:24:00.000-07:00I understand the thought that the best situation f...I understand the thought that the best situation for all children would be to stay in their home country for domestic adoption. I think it is like Marxism and Socialism- sounds great on paper but a horrible reality for all people. Theory and practice are two different things altogether. I believe the Hague agreement will create more orphans, less cared for children, and the ability for each country to hide their insidious practices especially in a non free government controlling Communistic country. Although you call this international law- I seldom see the UN have any ability or want to do truly what is right morally- <BR/>LizAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-68272963239734677552008-03-24T05:37:00.000-07:002008-03-24T05:37:00.000-07:00Dear Anonymous:In the final analysis, my goal is N...Dear Anonymous:<BR/><BR/>In the final analysis, my goal is NOT to end the China program. I simply want it to be Hague compliant -- free from corruption, and giving equal access to Chinese families. That is all.<BR/><BR/>I wish I could reveal all of the evidence I have, but I will tell you this. I have written documentation from local Chinese revealing the buying program in their cities, as well as a videotaped evidence of orphanage personnel approaching strangers asking them if they have babies to sell. These individuals describe how and why it is done. I have submitted a letter to JCICS outlining the evidence and extent of the problem, and hope that it can be solved. If not, I will turn it over to a respectable news organization for investigation. <BR/><BR/>I am under no illusions that stopping IA will end the trafficking problem in China. The trafficking problem in China is huge, and IA is very small. But families must realize that every family in China that is told "No" by the orphanage is left with no other choice but to seek a child illegally. Thus, IA increases the demand inside China for trafficked children.<BR/><BR/>Whatever our opinion of the Chinese government or culture is, it is international law -- promoted by the U.S. and agreed to by China -- that children stay in their home country whenever possible. <BR/><BR/>But I really appreciate your writing. You state your side with emotion and clarity, and you illustrate the confusion that is embedded in this discussion.<BR/><BR/>BrianResearch-China.Orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137919637778021754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15636692.post-92059695406140911442008-03-23T21:04:00.000-07:002008-03-23T21:04:00.000-07:00I wondered from your comments - you posted it twic...I wondered from your comments - you posted it twice now - is your intention/goal to stop the IA program altogether in China - is that where your energies are in documenting all of this? Do you see the IA program as a threat to Chinese families? Just curious at what lies beneath...<BR/><BR/>Each is entitled to his own opinion. Again - none of the babies sold in the film where sold to orphanages - the trafficker holds no credibility as he even sold HIS OWN CHILD! This man is a felon at best! If the child selling/buying practice is so rampant - then I guess the fact that domestic families are asked to pay such a high price in orphanages would lead them to a trafficker - so it is a cyclical argument to say that the IA adoptions are causing all of this controversy. I really believe it would continue despite the existence or non-existence of an IA program in China. It is not the way in which children are being adopted, or the way that money is exchanging hands, it is the fact that it is a Communist regime that is in charge - and life is not valued as a whole that is the reason for the buying and selling. It is wrong on every level! The IA community should not be blamed though for the actions of others - each chooses in his own heart what he will do or say. Free will exists for all even in lands where freedom does not. <BR/><BR/>I enjoy reading your perspective on many issues, but have to say this time I'm still waiting...because you haven't given any current sources that would substantiate your claims that foster families/orphanages are paying fees for the "finding" of babies and then bringing those babies into the orphanages for the IA program - or paying women who are expecting who would be willing to sell their babies. Which again I will say - selling and buying is totally WRONG! no matter to whom they are being sold. I find it suspcious when facts are stated and then not substantiated with at least two separate sources that are quotable and trackable. Old news stories are known as dogs that don't hunt! Hunan is over. I'm not saying there isn't another Hunan happening - I just want facts that uncover it - not reliving old news and using that as a current source. If this was true what you are saying - then where is the documentary on the IA program? where is the NEW uncovering of babies being sold into orphanages? if a camera can find child traffickers and follow them around - surely they can find and out others who are being paid to bring babies into the orphanages. I haven't seen footage like that - yet. That being said - I have no doubt you have some more knowledge on the topic, I just question now your motives since as I just said - twice you've stated in your post that you would like the IA program to cease. What a horrible reality that would be for the orphans who ARE abandoned - and need loving homes. It is not the IA community that is setting or fixing the price for the domestic adoptions - the Chinese are doing that. No matter what we pay... it will always be more than what the average Chinese family could pay. We are not the greedy ones with dirty hands. We are not the ones focing abortions so women can not conceive later in life - but must adopt to add a child into their home. The price we pay is set by them - the price they ask the Chinese to pay is set by them. If anyone is corrupt or causing unnecessary suffering it is the Chinese - they should be the ones to "push back" - it is their government - not ours. But, we all know what would happen if they even tried to have a voice! We are the loving parents who were told there were hundreds of abandoned babies lying in rows and rows of cribs in SWIs all over China. We are the ones who signed up to be parents. We are not the problem - The IA program is not the problem - the corruption in China is the problem as is the one-child policy born out of fear of famine - now the world makes more food to supply to developing nations than it ever has before. If the Communist would allow their people to freely develop ideas to save themselves - but they prefer polluted air, polluted water, and polluted thinking, poverty, and spying on their own people- the one-child policy is not progress - but control born out of lunancy that is steeped in the philosophies of a certain WW II dictator who sought as well to "design" peoples lives into national service, and frankly, sadly, we are not in a position to change that reality of Communism - just to change the life of a child. And hopefully, give a home to a child and love them as our own. That is the gift of adoption - love and a family whether in China or another country, everyone SHOULD have the right to adopt, but not everyone can. Some day we hope China will become free and able to participate fully in life like Hong Kong did before they were taken back over - and we will see how hard Taiwan will fight for their freedom. Such a beautiful country, such beautiful people, amazing culture, heritage, the potential for so much more. so much more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com